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Cherylanne Bailey - Thursday, 30 July 2015 10:21


I post my WALLACE brickwall in the hope someone can shed some light or offer guidance.
My William WALLACE married an Elizabeth circa 1820 (no other details known)
and from this union William Wallace Jnr was born on 6 July 1828 at
Aberdour, Fife.  William Jnr married Jane HAXTON on 17 November 1854 at
Dalgety, Fife.
Has anyone come across these Williams in their research?  My searching
reveals that William Snr's parents could have been an Alexander WALLACE and
Margaret BEATSON but I am only guessing in relation to this.

Kind regards
Cherylanne, NSW Australia

Cherylanne Bailey - Thursday, 30 July 2015 10:17

Sorry in relation to my earlier post re SCOTT and KILGOURS in Fife, I forgot to add my email address.  Many thanks for your assistance.


Cherylanne, NSW Austrralia

Cherylanne Bailey - Thursday, 30 July 2015 10:14


Hello to all 

My 4x Great Grandfather was Peter SCOTT b. 1780 at Fife (died 28.4.1850 at Markinch, Fife) who married Elizabeth REID on 13 May 1810, possibly at Cults, Fife.

The family is found in the 1841 census as follows:

"1841 Scotland Census

County: Fife

Civil parish: Markinch

Parish Number: 447

ED: 1

Page:  5

Address: Kerkforther Fens (sic, according to spelling in 1851 census address, where is widowed wife is found, should read "Kirkforthar Feus")

Petter Scott,  Age 60 (b. abt 1781),  Occupation: Ind,  b. Fife, Scotland

Elizebeth Scott,  Age 45 (b. abt 1796),  b.  England

David Scott,  Age 30 (b. abt 1811),  Occupation: Tracker,  b.  England

Joseph Scott,  Age 18 (b. abt 1823),  b.  Fife, Scotland.

Their son James SCOTT b. 13 May 1819 at Cults, Fife married Margaret Burrell KILGOUR, b. 5 September 1831, Ch'd 3 October 1831  Portmoak, Kinross, on 17 April 1861 at Fife, Leslie, Scotland according to Banns of C/Scotland.

 In respect of my KILGOUR line, John KILGOUR married Margaret FLOCKAR (my 6x Great Grandmother Christened 5 October 1718) in Dysart, Fife, on 6 December 1743 at Dysart.

Their son Andrew KILGOUR born 16 May 1746 (christened 18 May 1746 at Dysart, Fife) married Nelly (Helen) AITKIN (AITKEN) (born 22 January 1755, christened 26 Jan 1755 at Abbotshall, Fife) on 27 July 1781 at Abbotshall.  This couple had children including David KILGOUR born 16 October 1800 at Auchterderran who married Margaret BURRELL (born 1803 at Auchterderran) on 17 June 1826 at Portmoak, Kinross and 26 June 1826 at Auchterderran.  They had children including Margaret Burrell Kilgour who married James SCOTT (as above).  These are my 3rd Great Grandparents!

 This is as far back as I have got with these lines.

 Does anyone on the list have these Fife ancestors in their line or can anyone on the list offer suggestions as to how to trace further back?  If so, I would love to hear from you.


Ronald MELDRUM - Thursday, 30 July 2015 04:43

                                         MELDRUM'S OF TORRYBURN

My greatGrandfather Robt Meldrum b1817 came to New Zealand in 1858 and I would love to be in contact with someone researching these Meldrum's.

George M b1767  m  Catherine Williamson 1791 Torryburn Fife

Mary b1989, John b1791, George b1792, Robert b1794, Janet Jane b 1796

John M b1791     m    Ann Law 1812 Dunfirmline, Fife

George b1813, James b1815,Robert b1817

any help in adding flesh to the bones would be great. Ron Meldrum NZ


Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 13:11

For those of you looking for Graveyards the following may be of help

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denise ronald - Monday, 27 July 2015 15:28

i have tried that web site and nothing comes up.     i know of 3 graveyards near leuchars.  1 leuchars churchyard,school lane   2 leuchars cemetry ,near st michaels golf club  and 3 vicardford cemetatry    please are there any more  thanks denise

denise ronald - Friday, 24 July 2015 12:01


Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 12:14

What is your Uncles name? It would probably be in Leuchars but there is also a few small graveyards as well.


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denise ronald - Monday, 27 July 2015 15:21

hi sorry i forgot to say  angus snith ronald  died 25th august 1916 at 6 weeks old  thanks again denise .

Cris Todd - Thursday, 23 July 2015 20:33

Hello, I am planning a trip to Fife in September 2015 to research William Todd b November 4, 1825 in Scotland (per death certificate in Oregon USA), his wife Jennett (AKA Janet) Proudfoot Todd b February 25, 1827 in Scotland (per death certificate in Oregon USA) and their son Alexander Todd b July 4, 1847 in Scotland (per death certificate in Missouri USA). William's US naturalization record (October 16, 1873 Jackson County, Missouri) says he is a "native of Fifeshire, Scotland."  Jennett's cemetery record indicates she was born in Dumfriesshire.  Using online resources I have not been able to locate any Scottish birth, marriage or census information that I can confirm for any of these ancestors.  However, I may have found passport records for William (#35577 June 3, 1856) and Janet (#35219 May 26, 1856). I would welcome any assistance anyone can give me as I am at a loss for where in Fife I should to do my research. Thanks so much.



Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 13:05

Contact our main Researcher Roddy - he may be able to help


Cris SIEBENLIST - Monday, 27 July 2015 13:22

Thanks so much Frances.

Douglas STEEDMAN - Tuesday, 28 July 2015 09:34

Hi, Cris, I am a FFHS member and  have a Tod in my tree so I looked into your Tods.

My suggestion to you is-- from Scotlands people buy  1851 census for William in Carnbee you will find exact matches for William and  Alexander and most likely other children. Agnes Hardy is the wife and mother of the children of William, suggest she and other children died because of the smallpox epidemic  of that time. So obtain Agnes's death record then Williams marriage record to Jane Proudfoot, I believe this will give you the true story of William and allow you to trace his parents. It may cost you about £20 GB [ worth it just for the documentation alone ]

Of course I cannot guarantee I am correct, but would be interested in Roddy's thoughts

 Regards Doug   

Cris SIEBENLIST - Tuesday, 28 July 2015 15:24

Thanks for the tips Doug.  I have looked on Scotland's People before and not gotten very far. I will follow your suggestions.  This might also lead to some answers for another mystery.  William and Janet (Jennett) show up on US census and other records associated with Alexander born in 1847 (died in 1912 Missouri) and another Alexander born in 1849 (died in 1925 Oregon) both identified as their sons. I have suspected that one of them was probably a nephew adopted when something happened to one of William's brothers.  I would like to know which one was actually their son and who the parents of the other were.  Doug, are you related to William, also?


Thanks again Cris Todd Siebenlist

Douglas STEEDMAN - Friday, 31 July 2015 08:49

Cris , I am not related to William. my Tod's, 4x ggmother Elisabeth, I think from Dunfermline or Cupar or Falkland.

No other site will give the information you need. Scotland's People data is transposed  by other sites, LDS site is good for roughing out. Researching Scottish families on other sites, [ I suggest ], is a waste of time. 

Let us know how you get on, good luck.

Regards Doug. 

darran - Thursday, 23 July 2015 12:30

hello i am trying to find out the where abouts of scott paterson born in dumfermline on 3rd september 1958.i been told he may of died,please any information would be greatful

Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 12:15

Do you have his parents?


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denise ronald - Monday, 27 July 2015 15:36


Margaret Dore - Sunday, 19 July 2015 12:24





Christopher Wood - Friday, 17 July 2015 18:23

I would be grateful for any help in my attempt to establish a family relationship between Henry James Shoolbred (born in Manchester, 1838, to John Shoolbred from "Scotland" and Mary Bell Gullen) and John Shoolbred (born in Auchtermuchty, 30th November 1740 to John Shoolbred and Isobel Moffat), a prosperous merchant in London who died in 1801/2 and whose son James owned a plantation in South Carolina. 

Michelle Moseley - Saturday, 11 July 2015 06:44

Hi, new to this site and hoping someone may be able to help. I am researching the Peggie family, particularly Mary Peggie born abt 1812 who married George Coutts in 1834 in Dron. They moved to Victoria, Australia. Mary's parents are John Peggie and Margaret Corbett. Any info or advice appreciated.

elsie wilson - Friday, 10 July 2015 17:29


both born between 1875 - 1885 married Fyfe County - emigrated to Canada around 1900   

we are searching for family still in scotland 

CS - Friday, 10 July 2015 15:04

Does anyone have any information about my gg grandfather Henry Giles or his family? As far as I know he was a gardener and he died before 1874 - this information I found on his son Henry's (1853-1915) marriage certificate. Henry junior was born in Lochgelly, Fife about 1853  and his mother was Barbara Whyte (1828-1883) I know that Barbara married Daniel Mathieson 1856 at Lochgelly and she was a spinster when she married. I can't find Henry Snr on any Census etc so any information would be appreciated. Thank you.

Dawn Christenson - Sunday, 05 July 2015 19:44


I found my 4th great grandparent's marriage records from Dalgerty on   Their names were John Paton and Lillias Duncan.  I do have the names of Lilly's parents who were David Duncan & Isabel Kirkaldy.  I belive David Duncan was from Largo.

I am trying to find out who John Paton's parents were.   I have only found the index to the marriage of John and Lillias, but not the original.   Would there be his parent's names - at least his father's on the record?

Any suggestions would be great.

Thank you,


Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 12:22

Hi Dawn

As I presume this was pre 1855 it is very doubtful if parents names would be on the marriage record. You can check on Scotland's People website


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Alison Butcher - Thursday, 02 July 2015 19:46

MATHERS of St Monans

Any descendants of William Mathers (1789-1851) and his wife Christian Lowrie may be interested to know that a Facebook group has been set up for us to share information and photos easily.  There are members from UK and Australia.  It is a closed group but please request to join if interested.  You will find it by searching for Descendants of William Mathers.  If you are a Mathers originally from St Monans and the name Chapman Mathers is in the family it it likely you are one of their descendants.

Elaine McKenna - Thursday, 02 July 2015 11:52

My father left Fife at the age of eight with his parents to come to Australia so I imagine  there would be still a lot of people related to the family still living there.  The families last known address was Newmills/ Torryburn.

My great grandmother's name on my father's maternal side is Catherine Hogg Smith.  Catherine married a Robert Baxter and one of their children was my Nanna, Jane Ross Baxter.  Jane Ross married Patrick McKenna.  His parents were Jessica and Michael McKenna


Fingers crossed as I would love to meet some of my Scots rellies

Karen Darby - Thursday, 02 July 2015 11:26

Hi I am searching for the family of Robert Ogilvie/Ogilby, He married Mary Rae in Ceres Fife on Jan 28 1777. 

The marriage record is indexed on

but I was hoping someone may be able to help me find out who Robert's parents are and when he was born.

According to his daughter Jean's marriage record in 1799 to John Forrester, Robert was a brewer in the parish of Ceres.

Thank you 

Dave Donatelli - Thursday, 02 July 2015 08:45

I just wanted to let everyone know that I have a photo album from WW1. Tommy Byers the man that gave me his photo collection was in the 6th and 9th Battalion of the Black Watch Royal Highlanders Territorial force. Tommy collected and took photos before, during and after the war. Most of the photos are named and dated from 1909 through to 1922. I was wondering if anyone has any military information on Major Henry Francis Farquharson Murray. I have some photos of him in my photo album but not much more than that. He was in the 9th Battalion Black Watch Royal Highlanders at the same time as Tommy Byers. Tommy Byers service number was 2122 as a private. I have many more photos of the Black Watch and I am interested in doing as much research an them as possible. if anyone can help please let me know. Thanks in advance.  

Frances Black - Monday, 27 July 2015 12:25

Have you been in touch with the Black Watch Museum in Perth. Their Archivist Richard may be able to help.


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jackie welch - Wednesday, 01 July 2015 19:14

Is there anyone with the surname Mundy (or Munday) still in Dysart or Kirkcaldy.

Michael and Elizabeth Mundy (my great grandparents ) came to Dysart in 1891. They lived in Nether Street and later moved to Hill Street. They had 9 children, some of which may have stayed in the area.

Mary married and moved to Edinburgh. Married name Adams

Stephen  I have found nothing about him

John I have found nothing

Elizabeth, never married. Died in Edinburgh. Described as Hospital Matron, retired

Albert I have found nothing

Michael  married Dysart girl who died in 1918. moved to Glasgow with 2 young sons, left young daughter in Dysart 

Bernard  In navy in 1901, but can find nothing more except was witness to brother Michael wedding in 1906

Howard, died 1918 I think unmarried

Kathleen  died as child

any information would be greatly appreciated. Thank you

Ann O'Loughlin - Sunday, 28 June 2015 06:22

Hi I am looking for a death or any information about William Robertson of the Royal Navy.  When his daughter Agnes married John Fairnie 8 Feb 1798 both were of the parish of St Andrews and her father William was deceased.  John Fairnie was a tidewaiter and originally from Inveresk/Musselburgh.  Looking for any family of William, his wife and children, siblings of Agnes.  

Thank you I live in Australia


John P Douglas - Saturday, 27 June 2015 10:08

Help!?  I'm researching the Douglas's of Dairsie. the line thus far is myself, John paul Douglas, my father, John Noel Patrick Douglas, his father, James Robert, born Dairsie 1874, his father Rev James Struthers Douglas, born Dairsie 1817, his father John D born Dairsie 1779 (Blacksmith?) and HIS father, another John Douglas, but no data.

If anyone can point me in a postive direction, I'd be very thankful.




Paul SMITH - Thursday, 25 June 2015 22:29

I am researching my SMITH family from Logie. I started about 10 years ago but cannot find details about my 4x GG Robert Smith. I have all the details about his son William Smith's birth in Cupar from 1806 onwards including his children, right through to my father. Robert Smith was married to Helen Lyall from Leuchars in 1805. She is the daughter of William Lyall and Helen Black. Helen Lyall appears in the 1851 Census of Dairsie as a widow - so Robert died before then obviously. Helen is living with her sister Elspeth Paton (nee Lyall) and her son William Paton. William appears in the 1861 Census for Logie as living with Helen's son William Smith (above). Helen is listed as a wheel spinner. Helen died in 1861 at Dairsie Muir. Her death records say that she was the widow of Robert Smith - a Cotton Manufacturer - and Helen was a Wool Spinner. Helen's son William died in Balmullo in 1882 but his death record says that father Robert Smith was a Joiner. In the 1841, 1851, 1861, 1871 and 1881 Census records William is listed as a Joiner, Carpenter, or Wright, He appeared in the Logie Parish Records in 1863 (?) as a joiner. Also, his mother on his death record is listed as Elspeth Lyall - Helen's sister. The informant was William's son Thomas, but Thomas was born after his grandfather Robert had died - so probably never knew much about him. In all available Census records from 1841 through to Helen's death she was never shown as living with her son William or his family. Also William would appear to be the only son from Robert and Helen's marriage - as far as I know. Can any one help me find my Robert Smith and any of his ancestors? Thanks.


Vanessa - Wednesday, 24 June 2015 19:53

I am researching my WILSON family tree.  My great, great grandfather was James Wilson born 1795 married to Isabella Hutton.  I have been to Rosyth old church grave yard and found the gravestone which confirms this.  Many of the gravestones with wilson on them are very old and difficult to read.  If anyone has any information I would be very grateful. 

andrew campbell - Saturday, 27 June 2015 09:52

Fife Family History Society has published (and still available; visit Publications) Rosyth Old Churchyard Lairs, which transcribed the older stones in the Churchyard, with notes on the Lairs and who owned them, based on Lair records now divided between Dunfermline Central Library and Fife Council Archives; the latter has a Survey of the stones in the Churchyard done in 1880

Leanne Guymer - Saturday, 13 June 2015 13:15

I am a fifth generation Robertson living in Canberra Aus. My 3 greats grandfather Andrew Robertson and wife Helen Hain came to Melbourne on the Greyhound in 1863. Recent research seems to indicate that Andrew's parents were William Robertson (Carnbee) and Margaret Grieve. This research also suggests Andrew's siblings were John (baptised 6/5/1810), Robert (14/12/1812) Janet (21/7/1814). All these births including Andrews were registered in Crail. I am wondering if there is anyone researching this Robertson family, particularly members of the family that remained in Scotland?  It would be wonderful if we could learn more about what happened to both the Scottish and Australian families.

 Leanne Guymer

Harry D. Watson - Monday, 15 June 2015 18:09

Wm. Robertson and Margaret Grieve were married on 23rd February 1805 at Crail. You can find out a lot about them from Scotlandspeople. Their children were James(1806), William(1808), John(1810), Robert(1812), Janet(1814) and Andrew(1816 and 1818 - the first one must have died).

I hope you have inherited a lot of genes from William and Margaret, as they were a sturdy pair who lived to a ripe old age, into the era of death-certificates. William Robertson, master shoemaker, died in 1858, aged 86, at Marketgate (South Side) in Crail. His parents were James Robertson, shoemaker, and Janet Flewcart, which is a funny spelling of Flockhart or Flucker (both spellings still found here). William was married, wife's name not given.

I wasn't sure that I had found the right Wm. Robertson for you at this point, but then I found the death-certificate of Margaret Robertson or Grieve, "shoemaker's widow", who died in 1860, aged 76, at Marketgate (South Side) in Crail. Her parents were William Grieve, "weaver  & c.", and - Ross. The certificate gives you the very useful further information that William Grieve was a weaver etc. in Falkland and, I think, Pathhead (it's difficult to read). So he was probably wasn't related to the various Grieve families in and around Crail, including mine in neighbouring Kilrenny parish.

I was born in the Nethergate in Crail, but the Marketgate is probably my favourite street anywhere - a broad tree-lined thoroughfare, with Crail's market cross,where markets used to be held.


leanne guymer - Thursday, 23 July 2015 16:00

Dear Harry, so sorry not to have seen this response earlier as it arrived after we left Aus and we have been travelling in other areas of Europe since 15 June and have only just seen your chat page response.

I really appreciate all the advice you have provided. My only problem is that it seems to add more confusion to the Robertson puzzle. One of our problems is that our Robert and Andrew Robertson, born to parents, William and Margaret, give Carnbee as their birthplace in the 1861 Census Records. However the parish records for their births state Crail as the birthplace.  

After doing further research I am now wondering if there were two families William and Margaret Robertson registering births for their children in the parish of Crail in the period 1805 - 1820? From our searching of Scotlands People, the children of the one or two families we have found are WIlliam, James, John, Robert, Janet, 2 x Andrew (1816 & 1818) Margaret (1819)

Whilst I would like to think our Andrew comes from the family of William and Margaret Grieve, it seems unlikely that all of the children we have located in our research belong to William and Margaret.

Sadly we were recently in Cupar and spent time in the area looking at cemetaries trying to find clues to family etc. We also called at the Cupar Library but found they were shut on our second visit - public holidays can sometimes be a nuisance for researchers!

We would like to keep working with you on the puzzle and hope you might be able to help us with your  local knowledge to clear up the confusions.

We are currently in Campbelltown on Kintyre heading soon towards Durham and south. If you could email me your phone no. I could contact you before we leave for Aus.

Many thanks

Leanne Guymer

Leanne Guymer - Sunday, 26 July 2015 16:24

Hi Harry,

Thanks for your response, it is very much appreciated. I am very sorry that I have nt responded but I have been traveling since we posted the original message and have not had a chance to check the message board until 2 days ago.   

I have looked at your response and recognise youre references to the children of William and Margaret Robertson. In my research I had found the same children you listed. However I also found a Margaret born to a William and Margaret Robertson in 1819. My concern now is whether there are one or two families with the names William and Margaret Robertson registering births in Crail at that time.

Some confusion also arises from information we found in the 1861 census record for Andrew Robertson where he states his birthplace was Carnbee. Robert, who we believe is brother also states his birthplace as Carnbee. I am not sure how this fits with the Crail registrations.

We are still travelling in Scotland for another 2 weeks and our opportunities to do online research remain limited. However I would like to continue the discussion as your local knowledge would be extremely helpful. If it is more convenient perhaps I could continue the discussion maybe via phone if you are able to email us a phone or email contact. Thanks for all your help to date. Leanne Guymer


Natalie - Sunday, 07 June 2015 23:20

Hi.  Looking for some help with the McBain family please:  

My ancestor David McBain (born abt 1832) was married in Melbourne, Australia in 1854 to Janet Milne from Crossgates / Dalgety.  I cannot find anything to link David McBain back to Fife.  Their marriage certificate lists them both as being fro Kirkcaldy.  David's occupation was a sailor.  His parents are listed as David and Janet McBain. Father's occupation soilder.

I have tried all of the usual avenues - Scotland's people, Ancestry, Family Search and Find My Past.  Cannot find any BDM or census records that fit.  Cannot even find immigration records!

Am looking for anyone with a connection to the McBain family or suggestions on any other avenues I could explore please.

Will be in Scotland in August so will hopefully have the opportunity to investigate local records that are not available online.  

All suggestions welcome!!

Thank you


Margaret Mckirdy - Friday, 05 June 2015 06:29

I'm looking for descendants of Robert Gordon (b.1898)and his wife Jeanie Robertson Wishart Leitch!  His siblings were Jeanie Huchinson Gordon (George Finlay Ferguson), Elizabeth (Bessie) Corrigan Gordon, (George Berwick) (who was a butcher), George Nisbet Gordon, (Ellan Agnes Duffy), Frank Gordon, (Annie Honeyman Lister), John Gordon.  They lived in Cardenden, Auchterderran and lochgelly. 


Carol King - Friday, 05 June 2015 00:24
I'm searching for gravestones of the people named below. (and their families)
Can anyone help or offer suggestions of where best to look?


Annie Clarke PEGGIE  (twice married: 1st CAMPBELL - 2nd RICHARDS) died 1923 in Dunfermline

Annie Bell BLACK (married name PEGGIE) died 1924 in Fife

Lily BLACK died 1936 in Fife

Thomas PEGGIE died 1910 in Fife

Matthew PEGGIE died 1941 (Dunfermline)

Margaret GRAY d 1935 (Dunfermline)

Matthew GRAY died 1901 (Fife)

Clark BLACK died 1905 (Fife)

Christina CLARK (married name CAMPBELL) - dk date of death


Many thanks for taking the time to read this message.


Alastair Kirk Melville - Wednesday, 03 June 2015 18:27

I am trying to trace ancestors for the Melvilles  (recently of the Kingdom of Fife)

My grandfather Alexander Kirk Melville (lower Largo)  owned  a "gents outfitters"  AK Melville

in Kirkcaldy snd lived in Lundin Links. 

His children were David and Hugo and Cecile

I am son  of David Melville who died in 1951 of poor medical treatment

 My uncle Hugo ran the shop after the death of alexander.

My children are Anna James and William.


There was  talk of ownership of tea clippers which were last at sea - leading to bankruptcy for some previous  generations 

Any info of Melvilles  pre Alexander would be useful


Harry D. Watson - Thursday, 04 June 2015 19:08

I'm interested in the Melville surname in the East Neuk of Fife and a James Melville from my home town of Cellardyke was captain of the China tea-clipper "Min", so I had a look on Scotlandspeople for your Alexander Kirk Melville. I can see why you might have some difficulty tracing him. He was born in Baker Lane, St. Andrews, on July 11 1866, and was christened Alexander Kirk Gourlay. He was the illegitimate son of Catherine Gourlay, who was married to David Melville, merchant seaman, but she "Declared her husband had been absent from this Country eighteen months". However, if young Alexander was later known as Melville, Catherine's husband David Melville must have decided to accept him as his own.

The said David Melville was the son of Thomas Melville, fisherman, and Helen Wood. Melville and Gourlay were common names among the St. Andrews fisherfolk.


Fiona - Thursday, 02 July 2015 08:49

If you are on ancestry I have a lot of melvilles on my tree, it may or may not help you but worth a look. Mackenzie_Menzies tree.

John TRAYNOR - Sunday, 31 May 2015 23:05

I am new to researching my Scottish ancestry.   My maternal grandfather was Lewis Campbell Brown b.1891 - d. 1957 in St. Andrews, married Jessie Greenhorn 1914 ,  His parents were Henry Brown b. 1858 - d. 1934 and Mary Goodfellow b. 1856 - d. 1925 in St. Andrews .  Henry’s parents were James Brown b.1818 - d 1900 and Ann Duff b. 1820 - d.1895.  Mary’s parents were Thomas Goodfellow b.1824 and Margaret Gourlay b. 1822 - d.1888, all in St Andrews.  Many were fisherman by occupation.  


I will be visiting St. Andrews this October and want to learn more about their lives, see where they lived, visit gravesites and hopefully find some relatives.  Have street addresses changed over time?  What is the best way to locate grave sites?   I would greatly appreciate any additional information, suggestions or direction in pursuing my ancestry. 


Thank you,


John Traynor        






Harry D. Watson - Monday, 01 June 2015 08:43

Hello John. I have a distant connection with the St. Andrews Duffs. My middle name is Duff, and my late father Henry Robert Duff Watson and I myself, Harry Duff Watson, were both called after my father's uncle-by-marriage Henry ("Harry") Robert Duff, who was a professional golfer from St. Andrews, although he came from the fishing community.

You mention Ann Duff who married James Brown. Ann had a brother called David Duff, and he was the great-grandfather of my great-uncle Henry/Harry Duff the golfer. I have a lot of material on the Duffs which I can scan for you, and a photo of a Duff grave in St. Andrews Cathedral graveyard. Best if you email me privately at

The fisher community of St. Andrews is long gone but you can still see the cottages they lived  in at the west end of North Street near the ruins of the cathedral, which in the Middle Ages was the biggest church in Scotland. Also, there is a little museum in St. Andrews which used to have photos of the old fisherfolk on the wall as you went up the stairs. I once persuaded them to make me some copies of photos showing my Harry's Duff's mother Grace Duff standing in a combative pose with her hands on her hips, the other fisherfolk behind her, looking as if she is about to punch the photographer. 


jill - Sunday, 31 May 2015 15:05

Hello, I am trying to find David Wishart who married Janet bishop in 1822.  David worked as a farm grieve at Meadow head farm.  I have the whole family up until this point.  David must have died between 1834 -41 as the census makes Janet the head of the family.  BUT, who were his parents?.. where is he buried??..  where might i find documents from Meadow head farm??  There was another Wishart family living in Saline, could they be cousins??..any help would be appreciated.  I have hit a brick wall and can go no further back in time.  Thank you jilly

Elaine McCreadie - Thursday, 28 May 2015 10:07

I am researching my great grandfather ALEXANDER MELVILLE ANDERSON born 22/09/1860 in Cellardyke. He was lost at sea around 18/03/1917 off Anstruther/Cellardyke when his fishing boat was hit by a German mine.There is no record of his death in the Register. Can somebody advise where I can look to find official confirmation or any further information?



Harry D. Watson - Friday, 29 May 2015 13:15

In the past I and other researchers used to ask the local history librarian at Cupar library to check old Fife newspapers for details of deaths, etc., and as long as we had a fairly accurate date to give her she would often be able to locate the item in question and would send photocopies. 

I'm not sure how the system works nowadays, but this link may be useful.


Andrew ELLIOT - Saturday, 23 May 2015 12:19

Looking for help to find information on James Beveridge merchant & Marriner, husband to Agnes Clephan (1800-1851). Agnes is buried in Kirkcaldy Kirkyard with her father David Clephan. David Clephan's will has an interesting caveat -  that indicates some dissatisfaction with his son-in-law, James Beveridge (1791 - ?). “I David Clephan doth herein show my will and pleasure that all I possess after my lawful death are paid doth after my decease leave to my daughters equal proportion of my property of houses etc and money each namely Nancy, Elizabeth, Isabella and Janet Clephan or my four daughters so named, it is also my particular will owing to my daughter Nancy[AgnesClephan (1800 – 1851)] having the misfortune to be married to a very bad husband[James Beveridge (1791 -?)] if he should come to claim her as his wife and she agreeing to live with him in so doing then my will and pleasure is that she nor or he has no claim on any of my effects but shall be equally divided to the other three. There is the makings of a great story there! Any help greatly appreciated.


Doug Steedman - Wednesday, 20 May 2015 08:34

Suggest Geo is English SPG is an English missionary society. Have they any records?

Douglas STEEDMAN - Monday, 01 June 2015 16:14


George is a Scot and is from the Culross area.

Your research is flawless.


Robert - Friday, 15 May 2015 20:21

I am currently writing a book regarding Rev. George Micklejohn (1717? 1733-1818) who came to America in 1766 as Parson of Anglican Church for SPG.  There is doubt about his past in Scotland - many George's from Culross area - Confusion over his ancestry, etc.  I am willing to pay for specific research in area libraries and tax records (I have already been to National Archives in Edinburgh, St. Andrews Univ. Lambeth Palace - London, and used ScotlandsPeople).  Please send background, fees and experience to Robert Ireland, 


richard wright - Tuesday, 12 May 2015 17:05

Looking for any info/photos etc  on Capt. David Peebles  who left the Fife area in 1649 to the United States. I am a descendant of his and am very excited to learn more about my Scottish heritage. Thanks Rich

Sylvia FAIRHURST - Monday, 11 May 2015 23:13

Hi I am researching my great grandmother Marion Nicholson born 1847 in Limekilns Parents Robert nicholson and Martha Beveridge. All the family are on the 1851 census but disappear after? Marion marries in Liverpool in 1869. Where are Robert and Martha?  I have asked about this before and was advised to check emigration passenger lists to America, but haven't had any luck.  They have just vanished. Robert Marion's father is named on Marion's marriage cert as Master mariner deceased. He came from Burntisland, and Martha Marion's mother came from Charlestown. would love to crack this bricKwall

could anyone help please?   Thank you

Helena Marker - Thursday, 07 May 2015 21:40
Catherine Ireland
Please can anyone help
I am trying to locate a vanishing Ireland ancestor who lived in Buckhaven Last seen on the valuation rolls of1885

Catherin Ireland born 24 March1816
She was a dressmaker as well as farming 17 acres with a house,byre and stable.She also had a carriers business.
Did she marry late or get bought out or retire.
Her brother in law was William Morgan a grocer.His wife Margaret was her elder sister.
Her other sisters were Helen(Cargill) Ann and Martha. Their father was John Ireland and mother was Helen Skinner which sometimes turns up spelt Shunger!
I have the deaths of all her sisters but even Scotlands people has nothing helpful for Catherin. Does anyone have any info .Thank you Helena
Lynn O'Hara - Sunday, 17 May 2015 12:35

Hello Helena

Hopefully I might be able to help you with some information regarding your relative.

I have done some extensive searching to help trace Catherine Ireland and I believe I may have found her but unfortunetly I may be the bearer of bad news. 

I have Census information from 1851-1891 for Catherine, information found in local papers in relation to the farm in Buckhaven which is in the parish of Wemyss, a valuation roll search for 1885 family name Ireland in Buckhaven. The extra valuation roll for 1885 for a Catherine Ireland I have included is to show that it is not her. It unfortunately can't be as the given parishes are no where near Buckhaven. I myself live near the farm in Buckhaven and can verify about the parishes.

I did find another Catherine Ireland in Kirkcaldy who married to a man named James Lockhart. I have ruled this Catherine out as she is shown with James in both the 1851 & 1861 censuses. Initially I came across this Catherine Ireland (Lockhart) death and believed it to be your relative but the censuses ruled this out.

I searched Scotlandspeople to undertake a death search for a Catherine Ireland in fife, I have a scan of this to show you that it included a result for a Caroline Ireland in Cupar aged 74 which used in conjunction with the two other censuses 1881 & 1891 made me believe this could be Catherine. Given all the other evidence I found I could not ignore this so I purchased the death return for Caroline to find it was indeed a Catherine Ireland. You may have seen this in your search and probably ignored this as it states Caroline Ireland, Cupar.

In the 1891 census it states Catherine as a dressmaker which I know you have said in your previous message was her original profession. This also makes the death certificate more plausible. It is unfortunate that the death record doesn't include her parents which is probably due to the informant not knowing.

If you could sent me your email address I could send you all the information I have and hopefully it will help you in your search or give you some final information at last.

Best regards



Helena Marker - Tuesday, 19 May 2015 00:52

Hello Lyn.

Thank you for looking for Catherine.

What I did not mention was that I have her along with her sister Martha  in the 1885 valuation rolls as the owner of the 17 Buckhaven  VR 101/31 416 this is the same location she and her sisters appear at throughout their lives .Their father had it when they were born though perhaps the ownership happened later as he is described as a land labourer in one of the birth registrations.

It seems to be next to the  public schoolhouse in the valuation rolls.

 In the 1851 census it is District 3 A Civil parish Wemyss Page 35 Schedule 161 described as Buckhaven West.

I had already been up the garden path of the other Catherine Ireland and have the death certificates.

Catherine's sister Martha died in 1887 and her brother in law William Morgan registered the death.

I would be delighted for you to e-mail me. How does one go about that does an administrator put us in touch?

Thank you for all your hard work.

Best regards



Lynn O'Hara - Sunday, 24 May 2015 11:14

Hi Helena

Sorry I forgot to include my email in the message. My email is 

I am not a member of the site, I just happened to come across it and found your message.

If you send me an email I will send through all the information I have found on Catherine.


Best wishes


K A Peterson - Wednesday, 06 May 2015 12:58

Seeking any info on location or history of Carnie Lodge, built in early 19th C somewhere in Cupar parish environs, listed in A Topographical Dictionary of Scotland (1846) along with houses like Tarvit, Springfield, Dalyell, Preston Hall, Blalowne.  Does it still exist? Will be in Cupar early May (next week) to see family gravesite and hope to visit this structure too or find out where it 4xgreat grandfather was wright in its construction -- would love to see his handiwork. Any info much appreciated! 

Frances Black - Thursday, 07 May 2015 07:22

Yes Cairnie Lodge is still there as is Cairnie House and the owners who own it run a fruit farm and play area which is well signposted out of Cupar. Follow the signs for the Adamson hospital and keep heading on that road and you will come to it.


FifeFHS Secretary

Helena Marker - Thursday, 07 May 2015 21:56


How strange to see this message as my mother Helena Patrick(nee Murphy) who died 3 weeks ago was born in Cairnie House  in January 1920 in a snow storm. Her father was the estate manager and they  normally lived in the lodge. She talked about the lodge especially about the water tower above her bedroom making lots of strange noises and scaring visiting cousins. She also talked about the electricity plant and the carboids of chemicals which were needed to keep it going.This was long before mains Electricity.She always described it as a happy house  despite the noises.


Kathleen Peterson - Friday, 08 May 2015 18:52

Appreciate the info about Cairnie House. We will be driving to Cupar Thursday 14 May from Edinburgh to see St. James Cemetery ,and very happy to know of this place as well. Fife FHS is an invaluable resource-- thank you, thank you! Kathleen 

Josie Bahanda - Tuesday, 05 May 2015 21:19

So far I have been unable to find the deaths of my gt gt gt grandparentsThey were James Watson who married Janet Aitken in 1819 in Anstruther They had a number of children the first my gt gt gran Isabella Watson born Dec1819 in Anstruther Easter and the last I think was Aitken Watson who was baptised in Pittenweem Episcopal Church in 1835 I have found no trace of James and Janet after that Cannot find them in the 1841 census.A few of the children including Aitken they are living at their grandmother's Belle Gourlay with her son Alexander Aitken and his sister Elizabeth on their farm at Kingsbarns Carhurly in the 1841 census. In 1851 Aitken is living with his employers in a bakers in Anstruther Would there be any death or burial records for that timespan to find out what happened to James and Janet Watson Thank you

Helena Marker - Tuesday, 05 May 2015 19:36

Please can anyone help me. I seem to have a vanishing relative. Her name was Catherine Ireland born Buckhaven 24 march 1816.I can trace her  right up to the valuation rolls of 1885 when she is still the owner, farmer of 17 acres with house byre and stable. ref VR 101/31  416. She had also been a dressmaker with a side line in the carters business. Her youngest sister Martha was still alive at this time as was her brother in law William Morgan.

After 1885 she vanishes and I cannot find a death for her anywhere. Was the "farm" bought out? Where was it in Buckhaven? Did she marry late?

Any help would be much appreciated. A ring she gave to her nephew which is still in the family started this search.


Robert IRELAND - Monday, 04 May 2015 00:57

I am looking for information regarding the marriage, career, and death of one George Meiklejohn (Micklejohn) Born 18 July 1736 in Tulliallan, the son of William Meiklejohn (1698) and Katherine Hally. ; had a sister Katherine b. 1734.  William was the son of WILLIAM (1666) M. Marjory Coustone in 1692. 

I believe this George may have been confused with George b. 1733 Saline, the son of John Meiklejohn and Helen Philip. This George presumably married Mary Cree (Crei) in Culross in 1763, and left her with child, Hugh in 1766 to go to America, where he is said to have been an SPG Parson in North Carolina. 

Melodie - Sunday, 03 May 2015 02:06

I was wondering if anyone knows where I could find a list of homes built in 1812, the information I have is that James Pittullo was building it for his family in the United Barony of Anstruther and shire of Fife and that it was too large for Sea Bathing if that makes sense. It was a note entered in my 3x GGP separation hearing. Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

Clark - Saturday, 25 April 2015 19:30

I am currently researching my ancestry. My second cousin Margaret Bennett (Maggie)

who died in 1981. The address on the death certificate is given as:- "Evemond" Backmuir of Pitfirrane Dumfermline. Has anyone any idea where exactly this is?

I have been unable to locate same.

Thanks any information would be appreciated.

Alison - Wednesday, 29 April 2015 07:41

Hi, this is near Dunfermline in Fife. I googled it and there is a listing on a website for a Rotary Club member in the 1980's living at Evemond which is the name of the house. The link below might give you more information.


Fife Family History Society

Clark Smith - Sunday, 03 May 2015 17:09

Thanks Alision. I noticed that a Mr Hudson lived there in 1981 but I guess someone could have changed the name after that time.

Thanks again.

Arlene LITTLE - Saturday, 02 May 2015 12:18

KY12 8QR is the postcode for this area.  It is off the A907 Carnock Road, heading out of Dunfermline towards Gowkhall & Carnock. The council lists 17 properties and I'm guessing that Evemond might be a house name but I didn't find a listing for a house with that name.



Clark Smith - Sunday, 03 May 2015 17:11

Thanks Arlene. 

I guess someone may have changed the name of the house after 1981. 


Clark S.

Clark Smith - Saturday, 25 April 2015 19:23

I am currently building my family tree. My second cousin Margaret Bennett (Maggie) died in 1981 the address on the death certificate is:- "Evemond" Backmuir of Pitfirrane Dunfermline. Has anyone any information exactly where this is?

Melodie - Saturday, 25 April 2015 03:22

Where would I find Elie Kirk session records from 1760-1790. I have the book Elie Kirk 350 years 1639-1989, but it doesn't contain the records I'm looking for. 

Any ideas are greatly appreciated.

Frances Black - Saturday, 25 April 2015 13:12

These are still held with Elie Chuch - website they have a contact form on the website.

Frances - Fife FHS secretary

Melodie - Saturday, 25 April 2015 20:48

Thank you very much

Melodie - Tuesday, 21 April 2015 04:34

I'm need some help. I have searched high and low, but I can't find the birth records for my 4x GGF James Pittullo and his sisters Agnes and Helen. My James stated in his Naturalization record that he was born in Elie, Fife in 1768. The children were born to a wealthy ship Captain by the name of James Pittullo b. 1745 Elie, and Cecilia Baptisto so money wasn't an issue. So where would they have been born, considering he traveled back and forth from Elie to India. I have checked several sources and I can't find a trace of them, but he listed them in his Will. I do know that James Pittullo esq sold his property in Fife and moved to Dalkeith where he died and was buried in Restalrig in Midlothain and from what I can gather it was a non-conformist church cemetery. Some I'm wondering if there are more non-conformist churches other than the ones I found on the CD I purchased. 

Any help is greatly appreciated.

Thank you

Jim Strachan - Saturday, 18 April 2015 12:54

I am doing some research, and wondering if anyone has an idea where Beath Waldeve was located?  Our research appears to be pointing to somewhere in Western Beath.  Thanks!

Janice Chalmers - Wednesday, 15 April 2015 07:28

I am interested in the family of Alexander Chalmers, who died at Path head, Dysart on 12th Feb, 1866.  His widow was Christian (nee Campbell.  I will be visiting Dysart from Australia, Queensland, in August 2015.  I am a descendant of their son David, who came to Moreton Bay, on the British Empire, in 1859.

Angela INCIGNERI - Wednesday, 15 April 2015 01:21


Thank you for letting me join this group. I have been doing family history for many years but only recently have looked at my Scottish ancestry.

I have no need to progress further back but am interested in the lives of my ancestors. I believe they are -

Andrew TYRIE
his son ALLEXANDER TYRIE b. 1744 at Dysart who married Jean BRIDIE at the College  Kirk at Edinburgh, Midlothian. Allexander was a gardener at the old Kirk at the time of his marriage.

their son Charles TYRIE b. about 1774 in Monimail and moved to London where he married Jennet Brudie or Bridie and worked as a cooper for the Royal Navy at Deptford. His sons were also coopers.

Does anyone have som TYRIEs in their history? Or can anyone see any mistakes I have made? I am new to researching in Scotland and I welcome any corrections or suggestions.

Very best wishes



Annette Scott - Saturday, 11 April 2015 03:19

Hi All I am researching the Scott's from Newburgh, Fife. Was wondering if any others have them in thier tree. Last known on my tree is George Scott B:26 Oct 1729 in Newburgh Fife faher listed on baptism as George no mother listed.  He married an Agnis Dowie on 3 Jan 1755 If anyone has any information or can help me knock down this brick wall feel free to email me at

Many thanks in advance